# App: Switch to pay-as-you-go licensing **URL:** \ **Category:** Implemented features\ **Tags:** implemented\ **Created:** [July 16, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210 "2018-07-16T16:56:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nico](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/nico/32/1652_2.png) [@Nico](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Nico)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/22 "2019-11-05T20:26:15Z")
Hello devemux86, > [@devemux86](#): > > Actually there are 2 developers: > > - @boldtrn handles the website with routing > - I am the author of the application(s) I know this and you are earning my respect. We will see what the future holds. ---
**Author:** ![zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/zaphod_42/32/499_2.png) [@zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/zaphod_42)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/23 "2019-11-05T21:30:13Z")
> [@Nico](#): > > And I personally would be fine to give every year some money. And I think the developer’s will see that the people appreciate the work they do. It’s quite easy to do it: ![2019-11-05%2022_22_10-Kurviger%20-%20Dein%20Motorrad-Routenplaner](https://forum.kurviger.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a41e59428d70873f6b6d19565e863498df41bd8e.jpeg) and I do it - comparable to a tip for exceptional service. ---
**Author:** ![Zoran](https://forum.kurviger.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@Zoran](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Zoran)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/24 "2019-11-05T22:07:14Z")
YES. This is what Í´m gonna do. Every year. And I hope others will as well. We must make sure this app/service survives long time! ---
**Author:** ![Nico](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/nico/32/1652_2.png) [@Nico](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Nico)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/25 "2019-11-06T05:58:36Z")
> [@zaphod\_42](#): > > It’s quite easy to do it: > [@Nico](#): > > Does the donate button at the [kurviger.de](http://kurviger.de) website reach all the developers of Kurviger? I know…😏 ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/26 "2019-11-06T07:50:46Z")
> [@Nico](#): > > Does the donate button at the [kurviger.de](http://kurviger.de) website reach all the developers of Kurviger? Website donations are not related to the [application](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/21). ---
**Author:** ![luckytown](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/luckytown/32/4692_2.png) [@luckytown](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/luckytown)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/27 "2019-11-06T09:35:17Z")
Eine Alternative wäre vielleicht ein Live-Abonnement wie bei OsmAnd+? Siehe [http://osmand.net/osm\_live](http://osmand.net/osm_live), da kostet das Jahr 5,99 €. An alternative might be a live subscription like OsmAnd+? See [http://osmand.net/osm\_live](http://osmand.net/osm_live), there the year costs 5.99 €. ---
**Author:** ![Zoran](https://forum.kurviger.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@Zoran](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Zoran)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/28 "2019-11-06T10:23:33Z")
OK, so donating over Website will NOT reach everybody involved. This is SUB-OPTIMAL and defeats the whole purpose. I would really like to support everybody involved with the project. That is all the people that contribute should be reached. At the moment I am unsure how to do that ☹ ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 10:47am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/29 "2019-11-06T10:47:18Z")
One-time payment cannot cover any product’s ongoing costs over time. Only viable solution for any application’s future seems the subscriptions. Here besides app development, there are also map server monthly costs. ---
**Author:** ![Maxx18](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/maxx18/32/7016_2.png) [@Maxx18](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Maxx18)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 8:01am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/30 "2020-02-25T08:01:58Z")
Moin zusammen! Vielleicht ist es ungewöhnlich, dass ein Kunde vorschlägt, ein Abo-Modell anzubieten. Aber ich weiß, dass ihr nur ein kleines Team seid. Die Pro-Version kostet(e) 12 €. Einmalig. Ich befürchte, dass das vielleicht nicht ausreicht, denn die app wird immer umfangreicher und komplexer. Das ist wunderbar, und bald werde ich mich sicherlich über eine Favoritenverwaltung freuen dürfen, über Wegepunkte-Typen, Shaping points, etc, sodass ich kurviger auch als Planungstool nutzen kann. Das bedeutet aber immer mehr Aufwand für die Entwickler. Was wir als Kunden machen könnten (neben der lebendigen Diskussion im Forum), ist etwas Geld zu geben. Andere Navi-apps wie calimoto und myRoute-app machen es so. Das finde ich jedoch viel zu teuer. Wie wäre es, wenn ihr den Kaufpreis (sind es noch 12 Euro?) einmal jährlich erhebt? Das reicht nicht, um reich zu werden, aber vielleicht, um eure Arbeit zu finanzieren, Infrastruktur aufzubauen, Serverkosten zu zahlen oder zusätzliche Dienste zu integrieren. Es geht ja auch darum, Werbung in der app zu verhindern. Außerdem könnte es auch eine Motivation für euch sein, am Ball zu bleiben (Ich habe diesbezüglich aber keine Bedenken :-)) Ich kenne euer Geschäftsmodell nicht, es sind nur meine Vorstellungen. Ich jedenfalls fände ein paar Euro im Jahr sinnvoll angelegtes Geld, denn ich bin in vielen Dingen überzeugt von kurviger pro und freue mich jedesmal, wenn die Grenzen der app wieder mal erweitert wurden und neue Funktionen hinzukommen. Mit dieser jährlichen geringen Zahlung würdet ihr euch auch positiv von calimoto und myRoute-apps abheben. Aber vielleicht passt das ja auch gar nicht zu eurer Philosophie, dann ist es auch gut. 😉 Community, steinigt mich bitte nicht! * * * Hi there, perhaps it is unusual for a customer to suggest offering a subscription model. But I know you’re only a small team. The pro version costs 12 €. One time only. I’m afraid that this might not be enough, because the app is getting more and more extensive and complex. That’s wonderful, and soon I will surely be happy about a favorites management, waypoint types, shaping points, etc., so that I can use kurviger as a planning tool. But this means more and more effort for the developers. What we could do as customers (besides the lively discussion in the forum) is to give some money. Other navi-apps like calimoto and myRoute-app do it that way. But I think that is much too expensive. How about charging the purchase price (is it still 12 Euros?) once a year? That’s not enough to get rich, but maybe to finance your work, build infrastructure, pay server costs or integrate additional services. After all, it is also about preventing advertising in the app. It could also be a motivation for you to stay on the ball (but I have no concerns about that :-)) I don’t know your business model, it’s just my ideas. In any case, I would find a few euros a year of well invested money, because I’m convinced of kurviger pro in many things and I’m happy every time the limits of the app are extended and new functions are added. With this annual small payment you would also positively distinguish yourself from calimoto and myRoute-apps. But maybe it doesn’t fit to your philosophy, then it’s good for you 😉 Community, please do not stone me! ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 8:30am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/31 "2020-02-25T08:30:13Z")
Thanks for the valid concerns about Kurviger future! I moved the post in the related existing discussion, where we have already expressed our thoughts and explained the ongoing costs for development, servers, etc. > [@Maxx18](#): > > The pro version costs 12 €. One time only. That is 9.99 € one time purchase. ![Kurviger](https://forum.kurviger.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/9c55d0feb6fbe1d470f8a96c7b11373ffad75a26.png) ---
**Author:** ![lve0200](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/lve0200/32/1235_2.png) [@lve0200](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/lve0200)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/32 "2020-02-27T19:49:31Z")
The day will come! don’t call for it!!! They will be sold or acquired by a profit organization (or the older market dominants) and the good old days will be over. RGDS hk ---
**Author:** ![Basti](https://forum.kurviger.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@Basti](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Basti)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/33 "2020-02-27T21:08:14Z")
Hallo zusammen, eine interessante Diskussion. Als erstes denke ich mal, dass die Entwickler wissen was sie tun und was sie brauchen. Das Ihre Kunden bereit sind etwas mehr zu geben (zu zahlen) sehen sie ja an diesem Beitrag. Das sie sehr gute Arbeit leisten, sehen sie an der starken Beteiligung hier im Forum. Der Service hier ist einfach top. 👍 👍 Mein schlimmste Szenario wäre, wenn die App, wegen ein paar Euros zusammenbrechen würde. Hier habe ich einfach das Gefühl einer Hinterhof-Werkstatt. Wo die Mechaniker (Entwickler) mit viel Enthusiasmus ihrer Arbeit nachgehen und wo ich genau weiß, wenn ich ein Problem habe, wird mir geholfen, und dabei nicht nur an die Rechnung gedacht. Und so lange wie ich dieses Gefühl habe, gebe ich auch gern mal ein paar Euros mehr aus. Da diese Werkstätten selten und kostbar geworden sind. Eine Frage habe ich da aber auch noch. Ich dachte immer die App und die Web-Seite ist eine “Werkstatt”. Dem ist wohl nicht so? Ich hoffe ihr könnt mit meinem Vergleich etwas anfangen. Macht es doch so wir bei New Features und schaut, was am Ende dabei rauskommt. Viele Grüße Basti PS: Macht einfach weiter so 👍 😃 👍 und wenn ihr Unterstützung braucht gebt mir Bescheid! Was ich kann gebe ich gern 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Wolf](https://forum.kurviger.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/e19adc/32.png) [@Wolf](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/Wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 7:53am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/34 "2020-02-28T07:53:00Z")
> [@lve0200](#): > > The day will come! don’t call for it!!! So sehe ich das auch! ---
**Author:** ![lve0200](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/lve0200/32/1235_2.png) [@lve0200](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/lve0200)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/35 "2020-03-01T10:10:25Z")
I see that there’s lot of interest, hence let me expand my previous sparse statement: Of course 10€ cannot sustain the development and provisioning! So if you guys need money, put it on the table. May be you could create a few alternative funding models and let the community decide, what the majority likes best. But, whatever you do, PLEASE S A V E U S F R O M A D V E R T I S I N G S P A M !! My other request would be, that we, who have subscribed to the current version would be allowed retaining it, as is. May be you could create a new Kurviger 2.0, where all the future upgrades go, and leave the current version in peace (just stopping new subscriptions, but keeping it there for download as free oder those who have a prof key). Everybody could then decide, staying with the current version, or move on to the new subscription, if the new baby becomes tempting. Rgds hk ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/36 "2020-03-01T10:16:56Z")
> [@lve0200](#): > > My other request would be, that we, who have subscribed to the current version would be allowed retaining it, as is. May be you could create a new Kurviger 2.0, where all the future upgrades go, and leave the current version in peace (just stopping new subscriptions, but keeping it there for download as free oder those who have a prof key). Everybody could then decide, staying with the current version, or move on to the new subscription, if the new baby becomes tempting. Subscriptions seem to be the new model of Locus app. You can read more details in their announcement: > **[Locus Map - let's talk future](https://www.locusmap.app/locus-map-lets-talk-future/)** > > What is awaiting you in following months? A few quite essential changes. News you've been waiting for ages and a new basic app concept. ---
**Author:** ![zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/zaphod_42/32/499_2.png) [@zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/zaphod_42)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/37 "2020-08-03T06:45:03Z")
> [@Fehlende Offline-Karten für Costa Rica und Panama](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/fehlende-offline-karten-fur-costa-rica-und-panama/3957/2): > > Website donations are not related with the application. And how can we donate for the app? 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/38 "2020-08-03T06:52:08Z")
> [@zaphod\_42](#): > > And how can we donate for the app? Any app’s future cannot be based on one-time purchase & donations. Otherwise cannot expect new features development or maintenance. (please see also all above discussions) ---
**Author:** ![zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/zaphod_42/32/499_2.png) [@zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/zaphod_42)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 7:23am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/39 "2020-08-03T07:23:23Z")
> [@devemux86](#): > > Any app’s future cannot be based on one-time purchase & donations. That’s true and accepted. But I’d like to donate today, even if you change your business model next week. And I think there are some more in this community who think similarly. Just take it as a tip for exceptional services. ---
**Author:** ![devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/devemux86/32/6239_2.png) [@devemux86](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/devemux86)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/40 "2020-11-14T07:02:49Z")
> [@\[Website\] Kurviger Tourer Subscription / Abonnement](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/website-kurviger-tourer-subscription-abonnement/4498/20): > > Wieso sind denn eigentlich website und app so getrennt? There are 2 different platforms, developed separately by 2 different people. App only uses server routing, anything else needs another [business model](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/36). > [@\[Website\] Kurviger Tourer Subscription / Abonnement](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/website-kurviger-tourer-subscription-abonnement/4498/20): > > Meine höchste Vorstellung wäre es, wenn sich app und website so gut wie nicht unterscheiden würden, dass Favoriten, Lesezeichen, Symbole, Berechnungen, Karten etc. gleich wären. Dass Lesezeichen, auf app geändert, auch automatisch auf der website geändert wären und umgekehrt. Such features are possible only after switch the app to a subscription model. ---
**Author:** ![zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/user_avatar/forum.kurviger.com/zaphod_42/32/499_2.png) [@zaphod\_42](https://forum.kurviger.com/u/zaphod_42)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210/41 "2020-11-14T11:46:27Z")
**Warum nicht für die Website und App separat bezahlen?** Dann wären folgende Zahlungsarten möglich: a) nur website - jemand zahlt für die Planung mit der website und überlässt das Routing einem Navigationssystem b) nur app - Planung mit der app und Routing mit der app oder einem Navigationssystem c) beides (“full service”) - Planung mit der website und Routing über die app Ich persönlich nähme c) - obwohl ich auch kein Freund von Abonnements bin, mache ich hier eine Ausnahme. * * * **Why not pay separately for the website and app?** Then the following payment methods would be possible: a) website only - someone pays for planning with the website and leaves the routing to a navigation system b) app only - planning with the app and routing with the app or a navigation system c) both (“full service”) - planning with the website and routing via the app I personally take c) - although I am not a friend of subscriptions either, I make an exception here. [Previous page](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kurviger.com/t/app-switch-to-pay-as-you-go-licensing/210.md?page=3)